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100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« on: June 02, 2013, 07:57:59 AM »
100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2013/05/22/consumerwatch-tests-on-dog-harnesses-show-100-percent-failure-rate/

I also posted in this on the "Traveling with your Pet" board.


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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2013, 08:38:24 AM »
 :surprised: Wow.   :surprised:

Thank you for posting this, Michelle.  So, I read this in the hopes that something better would be suggested.  :star.smiley:
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #2 on: June 03, 2013, 12:45:20 PM »
Wow! That's pretty scary!!! I also haven't really seen any car harnesses that fit dogs our size. What do people typically use?

As of now, my husband and I generally don't use anything. If Tucker is in my Corolla he lays across the whole back seat and once in a while will sit. If he's in my hubby's Jeep Wrangler then he'll be in the cargo/trunk area either sitting on laying down. Typically he'll start off with sitting and once the car starts moving he lays down.
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2013, 10:49:01 PM »
Wow! That's pretty scary!!! I also haven't really seen any car harnesses that fit dogs our size. What do people typically use?

As of now, my husband and I generally don't use anything. If Tucker is in my Corolla he lays across the whole back seat and once in a while will sit. If he's in my hubby's Jeep Wrangler then he'll be in the cargo/trunk area either sitting on laying down. Typically he'll start off with sitting and once the car starts moving he lays down.


Have to admit that I, too, don't use anything.  :sad3: I bought a Toyota Highlander for Murph (have a two-door Honda Civic, which he outgrew in a minute).  I have the rear two rows of seats down.... and that's where my dogs go.  I never travel far with my dogs (vet is the furthest).  Have to say that I HATE traveling with my dogs KNOWING that they are not protected (because I'm not sure WHAT to get to protect them... AND ME in the event of an accident).  :sad1: 

SOOOOO open to ANY and ALL suggestions!! WHAT WORKS FOR EVERYONE???
~AM Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05 ~ Rufus & Kady) CGC, Therapy Dogs International, Inc., RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic GSD mix Annie (B: 10.4.04 ~ adopted 5.06) RIP 5.17.08
~EM Frankie (B: 11.11.01 ~ adopted 10.07) RIP 10.28.09
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2013, 05:48:12 AM »
This is terrifying. I've always used a harness/seatbelt-type restraint believing (apparently falsely) that it offered some protection. Some countries (including Switzerland) are moving toward mandatory safety restraints in vehicles for dogs usually meaning installed boxes or barricades. Most car manufacturers here offer these as add-on or custom accessories and, yes, they are really expensive.
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2013, 06:43:00 AM »
I've always used a pet barrier behind the back seat (SUV), although I confess I've been a little more lax with it lately when I have both pups in the back. (Due to the recline of the back seat and the barrier going straight up and down, it takes up more floor space for the dogs.) I had heard a long time ago that the only thing worse than your dog being injured in an accident, is your dog becoming a projectile and likely injuring others in the car as well. I have to think though that a physical barrier to contain your dog during the event of an accident (leaving only a few feet of room if your dog were to be thrown during the accident) would be safer than a harness-type restraint that would give your dog something similar to a whole-body whiplash. I'm not sure if I explained that well enough or if that makes sense to anyone else other than me :confused2: Would love to hear other people's opinions too.
Here is a picture similar to the pet barrier I have
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2013, 05:49:52 PM »
I have to admit that we don't use anything either.  But we put both dogs in the way back of our Toyota Highlander (yes, they fit! - and thankfully, they get along so well that they don't mind lying right next to each other).  With the headrests in the back seat UP and I think the armrest in the middle, the dogs can't get into the back seat - or not easily.  I agree about the pet barrier being best - but don't know if I'm right either.  Glad this has come up on the Forum!  Thanks!
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2013, 10:06:04 AM »
I purchased one for Cruiser years ago and he refuses to use it. It came from K9 outfitters and fit him with a 52" chest. I don't see how it could fail. JMO as this would be able to tie down a car.
He lays on the back seat or has his head on my center console. 

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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2013, 04:40:33 PM »
We have all the seats out of the center and the back of our Toyota mini van. The girls wear leashes with carabiners attached which are then anchored to the bench/seat hooks that are in the floor.
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Re: Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2013, 09:25:23 PM »
For short trips I put both of mine in the cargo area of my CRV.  It is a tight fit but that keeps them snuggled down and not moving around.  I have a pet barrier that would always fall down so I took the legs off and attached it to the head rests and feel this is a safe cheap way to go.  I use a different set up for longer trips and will post pics when that is set up.
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2013, 10:09:46 AM »
Great idea Maria! My barrier doesn't fall down, but like I said, it takes up some much-needed floor space due to the angle of the back seat. This would solve that problem! :yay:
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Re: Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2013, 06:02:32 PM »
Here is the setup for longer trips.  I got a pet net and used my own bungee cords.
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Re: Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2013, 06:07:44 PM »
Side view.  This net has already torn so I don't recommend it.  I also don't like the small holes- makes it harder to see out the back.
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2013, 07:00:43 PM »
Maria,
Thanks for the pictures and reviews.  I was wondering about the pet nets...  Mike had taken the bench seat out of the cab of our truck, so, the pups ride up there with us  in the AC.  I need something floor to ceiling but didn't like all the room the "solid" barriers take up.  I guess that is what we will have to go to, though.
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Re: Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2013, 07:03:33 PM »
For short trips I put both of mine in the cargo area of my CRV.  It is a tight fit but that keeps them snuggled down and not moving around.  I have a pet barrier that would always fall down so I took the legs off and attached it to the head rests and feel this is a safe cheap way to go.  I use a different set up for longer trips and will post pics when that is set up.

I really like this one!  From your experience... what do you feel is more sturdy...this or the net setup?  Like you, I'll usually have more than one giant dog in my cargo area. 
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~EM Maggie (B: 10.17.05 ~ adopted 12.06) RIP 12.1.2013
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Re: Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2013, 01:57:12 PM »
I really like the solid frame mounted to the back seat head rests.  I have seen these offered for some cars and they are pricey but since I had the parts I made my own. I tried it on the front seats and did not feel it would be safe for me in an accident.  I only use the net when the seats are folded up.  On my trip yesterday Maggie tried to squeeze through the side to get the front seat.   If your pups are determined, they can get past a net.  I had an x- pen behind my seat so I propped it up to deter her from trying again.
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Re: 100% of car harnesses/belts fail in crash tests!
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2013, 10:50:44 AM »
Wanted to bump this topic for the new members.  :thumbs_up1:
~AM Murphy, Flying W Farms (B: 1.23.05 ~ Rufus & Kady) CGC, Therapy Dogs International, Inc., RIP 8.22.2016
~Epileptic GSD mix Annie (B: 10.4.04 ~ adopted 5.06) RIP 5.17.08
~EM Frankie (B: 11.11.01 ~ adopted 10.07) RIP 10.28.09
~Epileptic AM Brody, Orion Farms (B: 9.11.09 ~ Merlin & Pandora ~ adopted 4.2.10) RIP 6.15.13
~EM Maggie (B: 10.17.05 ~ adopted 12.06) RIP 12.1.2013
~Chihuahua mix, Daisy (B: approx 2003 ~ adopted 11.09) RIP 1.31.2014

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